Monday, February 13, 2012

Just A Thought

Just a thought, as the Republican primary electorate seems poised to make Rick Santorum the nomination frontrunner while, simultaneously, Republican politicians have joined hand-in-hand with the sexless theocrats of the Roman Catholic Church—they of the flowing robes and silly hats—to reclaim America for the Middle Ages with respect to sexuality: With Senator Santorum, Republican primary voters are on the precipice of coronating a man who fully believes, and expresses openly, that the creator of the universe is greatly interested in, and indeed is preoccupied by, the sexual behavior of human beings—how we have sex, with whom we have sex, under what circumstances we have sex and the degree to which each sex act could result in fertilization—and who is fully prepared, nay committed, to use the full might of federal power to allay the creator of the universe’s concerns with respect to humans and our copulatory activities.


Blogger Tommykey said...

The same Rick Santorum who says with a straight face that Barack Obama thinks he knows what is best for you.

12:51 PM EST  
Blogger The Jolly Nihilist said...

Projection is a sad, sad thing, and Santorum seems utterly oblivious.

1:45 PM EST  
Blogger Lvka said...

All I can tell you is that things have an inherent meaning, and that the alternative is meaninglessness.

There are no self-sustaining subjective alternatives either. I am speaking here as a man who saw the end of the road, and barely made it back.

5:03 PM EDT  
Blogger Lvka said...

There was a question, that goes deep to the core of your own nihilism, atheism, and relativism, and that you addressed at least severeal times on your blog... it had to do with religion being geographically and historically confined, non-universal, non-absolute... You asked why people all over the world did not indepently arrive at the same religious conclusion(s) as the ancient Jews, for instance... that God or the true religion should be something so evident as the Sun...

All that I can tell you is that this question of yours isn't exactly true... For instance, Mark Twain, an American atheist, arrived at the same conclusion with regards to the nature of the torments of Hell as did Christian Fathers and Buddist ascetics. (Link).

9:21 AM EDT  
Blogger The Jolly Nihilist said...


I do not doubt that the dichotomy is, indeed, between intrinsic meaningfulness and meaninglessness. I, however, acknowledge the reality that everything is, indeed, meaningless: my life, your life, human beings, the evolution of biological entities on Earth, the planet, the galaxy, the galaxy cluster of which it is part, etc. It is my belief that nothing I do ultimately matters, nothing you do ultimately matters and nothing, with respect to humanity as a whole, ultimately matters. Humanity, if I am to speak crudely, is a tick on a dog's ass if that dog is in a canine park of nearly infinite size and population.

As I wrote in an earlier essay: "'Value' is a concept that requires an assigner or assessor. As noted, one atomic assemblage can assign value to another one, but, inasmuch as any living creature is destined to die—and, in the grand cosmic scope, to do so almost immediately—any value assignment is ephemeral: not enduring...factual...objective. On the universal scale, none of us matters and none of us is significant, thus undercutting the consequentiality of any value assessment any of us might assign. Essentially, all of this is to say that if one meaningless, insignificant thing declares another meaningless, insignificant thing important to it, that importance, itself, is meaningless and insignificant by extension, since importance cannot come from unimportance, nor the meaningful from the meaningless."

And, when referring to the supposed large agreement about the nature of the torments of hell, I think you ignore the central tenet of my philosophy and, thus, this blog: namely, evidentialism. Inasmuch as hell is ostensibly "immaterial" in nature, and human beings, no matter how much our technology advances, could never explore hell by means of a craft or ship or rocket, it is something that can only be speculated about: speculation guided, seemingly, by the desert scribblings of ignorant men of antiquity whose minds were addled by supernatural and mystical nonsense while at the same time being hobbled by a lack of scientific understanding. Speculation in aggregate about "the immaterial" does not qualify as evidence, in my judgment.

1:16 PM EDT  
Blogger Lvka said...

It's not "speculation".

From my own experience, as well as from that of three hundred million people world-wide, addiction inbreeds clinical depression: the utter destruction of the mind. Freedom from the former generates release from the latter. These hideous torments, worse than any other (and I'm NO stranger to severe physical pain either, so I don't use these words lightly) are very real indeed... Now -by way of extrapolation- were our rational existence to continue after death, all our compulsions, obsessions, and addictions would torment us to no end, inasmuch as there's no relief in the afterlife for such things: nothing to 'quench' our mental 'thirst' and craving. If the body were to resurrect as well, still enslaved by such things, then the pain would logically be 'double', both body and mind suffering together.

Further, meaninglessness inbreeds depression. Since all pleasure is limited --both in kind, as well as in intensity-- it is only a matter of time until the hedonistic mind arrives at the point of utter emptiness and un-fulfillment. (Mine did). The state installs itself inevitably in a matter of minutes, and then sinks even deeper in a matter of hours. Once installed, it cannot be destroyed by any means, inasmuch as it is a simple realization, and one cannot un-see what has been seen (albeit on a mental level, and not with one's physical eyes). The ONLY things that drag the mind out of that state are altruism and abstinence. (Egoism inbreeds depression, inasmuch as it 'gives birth' to the hedonism that generates it). (And abstinence because it fights the insatiable craving(s) that brought the mind there in the first place).

...hence the teaching(s) of Christ and the Buddha...

P.S.: ancient people are still *people*... and whether you live in the desert or in the jungle makes no difference: people are people, and share the same human nature... just so we're clear...

7:57 AM EDT  
Blogger The Jolly Nihilist said...

It might, indeed, be true that addiction breeds clinical depression and, further, it might be true that freedom from addiction -- whatever form it might take -- generates release from said depression. That is for the medical community and the psychological community to adjudicate. Where you go woefully wrong is in positing the possibility that our rational existence might continue after death, and that our body might resurrect. These things are not merely speculation, which, of course, they are, but also speculation into the fantastical, magical and, to be blunt, flatly fictional.

All the things you reference -- compulsions, obsessions, addictions -- are products of mental processes: the workings of the brain. Rocks do not have any of these things and nor do rhododendrons, the reason being that neither rocks nor rhododendrons are endowed with a human brain to enable such things to manifest. To say that these things might persist after corporeal death is to suggest that, magically, the results of the processes of one's brain might continue after that brain's death and destruction. This is not how the world works.

Now, it might also be true that meaninglessness breeds depression. It might be completely factual that acknowledging life's meaninglessness -- and one's own concomitant meaninglessness -- inevitably causes a state of hopeless depression to descend. But if, because of this, you are saying, therefore, intrinsic meaning does exist, you are appealing to a fallacy: appeal to consequences. The truth is the truth, irrespective of whether it makes living life easier or harder...irrespective of whether it causes people to be happy or clinically depressed. Even if the fact of life's meaninglessness caused every human being, upon discovering said fact, to kill him- or herself immediately, those "negative" consequences would be immaterial to the truth of life's meaninglessness.

And, yes, people are still people, regardless of whether they are ancient or contemporary, from the city or the desert or the jungle. The point is, to look back to antiquity poses serious problems, including the lack of scientific knowledge implicit in the suggestion that the results of the processes of one's brain might continue after that brain's death and destruction.

7:25 PM EDT  
Blogger Lvka said...

There is only one way of life that gives life meaning: that's what I was trying to say. Every other approach is inevitably doomed to bankrupcy.

4:30 PM EDT  
Blogger Emanuel Goldstein said...

Beware of morally nihilistic bloggers who cry about freedom.

They could just as easily set up "re-education" camps and Gulags as anything else.

After all, they are morally nihilistic.

Never willingly submit to rule by an atheistic government.

12:55 PM EDT  
Blogger The Jolly Nihilist said...


You might find moral nihilism disconcerting, or perhaps even appalling. You might also cringe at the possibilities of what a morally nihilistic government could do. But do realize that any attempt to extrapolate from supposed bad consequences that a belief system itself is erroneous would be fallacious. To acknowledge the truth of moral nihilism might cause society itself to crumble; such a consequence, however, would have no bearing on moral nihilism's validity.

2:26 PM EDT  
Blogger Tommykey said...

EG also has a meaningless quote in his profile:

If most scientists are atheists, as Richard Dawkins claims, why have they filled the world with nuclear weapons? Was that smart?

Gee, I didn't know that biologists, geologists and chemists were responsible for filling the world with nuclear weapons.

Scientists don't fill the world with nukes, governments do.

12:31 PM EDT  

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