Jesus vs. "The Mighty Redwood"
Please consider the following two narratives. One story is widely believed (with adherents numbering in the billions), while the other has—to my knowledge—no adherents. Analyze each narrative’s plausibility, and think about whether one is more probable than the other is.
Narrative One: Around the year 33 CE, Jesus of Nazareth was crucified for his perceived crimes against the powers of the day. Jesus, being the Son of God, rose bodily from the dead a few dozen hours later. All the crippling effects of death miraculously were reversed. According to the Acts of the Apostles, Jesus appeared to several individuals, in assorted places, during the course of the next 40 days, apparently fully recovered from brain death’s ravages. Eventually, Jesus ascended to Heaven.
Narrative Two: Around the year 33 CE, in what now is known as the
Which narrative seems more plausible, and why?
Does either story—or both—count as an extraordinary claim?
Do you accept the maxim “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”?
Finally, does one narrative warrant widespread belief, given the evidence we currently possess?
· Both stories are equally implausible, given their violations of the known principles of nature.
· Both stories clearly are extraordinary claims, given the natural principle violations to which I referred.
· I accept the ECREE maxim as a valid, useful tool which helps to overcome human fallibility and achieve genuine knowledge about the world in which we live.
· Given the dearth of extraordinary evidence, neither claim warrants widespread belief or any degree of confidence whatsoever. Both stories should be set aside tentatively, in hopes that better evidence eventually will materialize to either confirm or deny their validity.
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From BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6283907.stm
"Worshippers who believe in the 12 gods of ancient Greece have held a ceremony at the Temple of Zeus in Athens.
This is a landmark event to celebrate official recognition of their religion by a court last year...."
You see? RELIGION WILL NEVER DIE..!
PS: Jesus loves you.
Jolly
where did mr olbermann go???
People probably noticed posts disappearing on occasion. In my view, certain posts I make are "important" enough to warrant longstanding front-page placement. In order to keep these posts on the front page, but also not have a front page that's ridiculously long, I manipulate the dates to control post order.
Olbermann's in the archives.
Jolly,
read this article. This site has been used by tommy and is not a christian site.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
PGC, I think you have me confused with someone else. I do not recall using that Wikipedia reference. I suppose there is a slim chance I did and just don't remember, but I really doubt it was me.
Tommy,
you used it when you tried to prove to me about when the book of Isaiah (700-680) was written. You used the Medes and said they were around much later than what the book of Isaiah said it was written trying to tell me the book was written in 500bc or later.
Wrong PCG, the Wikipedia article I linked to was about the Sabaeans, not about the historicity of Jesus. Are you just making this up as you go along?
I was refering to the site not the article, sorry about the confusion.
And of course the suggestions you made are exactly what critical thinker would do. But we are not talking about critical thinkers, we are talking about people who accept a position based on faith. Faith that what they read or are told is true.
In fact, the bible strongly suggest that faith is evidence of things hoped for. When you are dealing with people whose idea of evidence is faith, they will not think critically about any position that they have accepted on faith.
beepbeepitsme,
is this comment posted at me or at jolly's post?
Jolly,
I presented a good article from a non Christian source did you even read it? I thought you said you would take evidence into consideration?
Me as in PGC 1981
for some reason it didn't keep my name when i posted
RE anonymous
This was said - "And of course the suggestions you made are exactly what critical thinker would do. But we are not talking about critical thinkers, we are talking about people who accept a position based on faith. Faith that what they read or are told is true.
In fact, the bible strongly suggest that faith is evidence of things hoped for. When you are dealing with people whose idea of evidence is faith, they will not think critically about any position that they have accepted on faith."
And it was refering to the post. If you have evidence of the existence of a god that doesn't require religious faith, I am always open to it.
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